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	<title>Comments on: Home and car buyer credits - more welfare for the rich</title>
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		<title>By: Henry S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cody,
Both bills are worthless pandering bills.  The housing credit doesn&#039;t work because interest rates are up 1% so very few are refinancing.  As for the car bill, the &quot;subsidy&quot; is basically worthless to a car owners whose trade in value is about 4,500.  If one is truly driving a POS car worth $500, then they&#039;re likely not able to qualify for a new car lease or loan. So the number of individuals impacted by either of these programs is very very low.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cody,<br />
Both bills are worthless pandering bills.  The housing credit doesn&#8217;t work because interest rates are up 1% so very few are refinancing.  As for the car bill, the &#8220;subsidy&#8221; is basically worthless to a car owners whose trade in value is about 4,500.  If one is truly driving a POS car worth $500, then they&#8217;re likely not able to qualify for a new car lease or loan. So the number of individuals impacted by either of these programs is very very low.</p>
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		<title>By: sarnold</title>
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		<dc:creator>sarnold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I rent, drive older cars, have no debt. I lived the American Dream until I was stung last year and had to sell it low and use my 401K to close. Now I have become educated and understand the truth. I have the means to buy another house if I want to be creative, but I believe what is going on is wrong. The next time I lay my money down, it will be own my own back, not the taxpayers back. The mortgage write-offs are not that great anyway and you loose your freedom to move. With a lease, you can move in s short time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I rent, drive older cars, have no debt. I lived the American Dream until I was stung last year and had to sell it low and use my 401K to close. Now I have become educated and understand the truth. I have the means to buy another house if I want to be creative, but I believe what is going on is wrong. The next time I lay my money down, it will be own my own back, not the taxpayers back. The mortgage write-offs are not that great anyway and you loose your freedom to move. With a lease, you can move in s short time.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before all this hit there really wasn&#039;t a conventional used car market -- the system overwhelmingly favored leasing, so you had huge numbers of relatively new cars constantly dumped on the market, lowering both trade-in &amp; private, direct sales pricing. This in turn aided leasing, since if you bought new, most any vehicle was worth less than you owed at any time during the loan&#039;s lifespan.

With the gov program trade-in of clunkers will probably go down, carrying asking prices with it -- &quot;if you&#039;re getting $4.5 K, why do you need more?&quot; say the dealers.. Lower mid range used cars, selling privately in the $4.5 K range will probably stay relatively stable... Used cars selling in the teens might go lower since there&#039;s less reason to buy used instead of new, plus the bargain syndrome of the gov check will prompt many into buying something they can&#039;t afford -- psychologically they buy into the deal &amp; discount more than the vehicle. Who knows -- might even create it&#039;s own bubble of sorts.

Anyway now&#039;s not the time to buy GM or Chry... Tech&#039;s paid flat-rate barely break even on warranty repairs - remaining dealers can either turn away warranty from those that closed, or take it in, with no man-hours left for paying work, so good techs leave. Either way warranty quality drops, satisfaction plummets, &amp; those cars are avoided like the plague. At the same time fewer parts departments competing means increased prices on body parts means increased insurance rates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before all this hit there really wasn&#8217;t a conventional used car market &#8212; the system overwhelmingly favored leasing, so you had huge numbers of relatively new cars constantly dumped on the market, lowering both trade-in &amp; private, direct sales pricing. This in turn aided leasing, since if you bought new, most any vehicle was worth less than you owed at any time during the loan&#8217;s lifespan.</p>
<p>With the gov program trade-in of clunkers will probably go down, carrying asking prices with it &#8212; &#8220;if you&#8217;re getting $4.5 K, why do you need more?&#8221; say the dealers.. Lower mid range used cars, selling privately in the $4.5 K range will probably stay relatively stable&#8230; Used cars selling in the teens might go lower since there&#8217;s less reason to buy used instead of new, plus the bargain syndrome of the gov check will prompt many into buying something they can&#8217;t afford &#8212; psychologically they buy into the deal &amp; discount more than the vehicle. Who knows &#8212; might even create it&#8217;s own bubble of sorts.</p>
<p>Anyway now&#8217;s not the time to buy GM or Chry&#8230; Tech&#8217;s paid flat-rate barely break even on warranty repairs &#8211; remaining dealers can either turn away warranty from those that closed, or take it in, with no man-hours left for paying work, so good techs leave. Either way warranty quality drops, satisfaction plummets, &amp; those cars are avoided like the plague. At the same time fewer parts departments competing means increased prices on body parts means increased insurance rates.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, any auto dealer is going to be looking at maybe keeping a small fleet of junkers on hand -- rather than wholesaling trade-ins they have less than $500 in, maybe they&#039;ll be buying them. Customer buys a junker 1st, then trades it in, whether it ever left the lot or not. Customer gets government rebate -- dealer get profits from sale, plus profits from paperwork, plus profits from financing, plus gets to charge a premium for the new car because the customer is only watching that rebate, thinking they got away with scamming the gov.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, any auto dealer is going to be looking at maybe keeping a small fleet of junkers on hand &#8212; rather than wholesaling trade-ins they have less than $500 in, maybe they&#8217;ll be buying them. Customer buys a junker 1st, then trades it in, whether it ever left the lot or not. Customer gets government rebate &#8212; dealer get profits from sale, plus profits from paperwork, plus profits from financing, plus gets to charge a premium for the new car because the customer is only watching that rebate, thinking they got away with scamming the gov.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Cody - &quot;love your show&quot; as they say - I forget where you are based out of, but I live in the great Socialist State of Kalifornia where the state budget is run by (and has been for years) the DEMONCATS &amp; state employee unions who live to spend more than they take in even though we have a state constitution (there&#039;s that C word again) that mandates a &quot;balanced&quot; budget.... and a Goveneuter that actually said (into a mic no less) that the $5-10 Billion a year that he admits illegals cost the state didn&#039;t matter in the big picture. Please at least look that stuff up before you paint everyone here with the same mindless overspender paint bomb.

I hear BO saying that the only way to get us out of the problems caused by over borrowing and over spending is to over borrow and over spend even more - maybe even by a factor of 4! YABBADABBADO! I think the best way to cash in on that deal is to take advantage of the housing and car tax credits and then get a 105% loan backed by the government! WOWIE - that gal was right &quot;if I help BO he&#039;ll help me&quot; new car, new house, free government loan! SWEET.

If you can&#039;t beat them, might as well join the party - right? I meant that is what you were suggesting - right?

Speaking of fairness - I&#039;d go with a flat tax with no deductions 1 page tax form. Everyone uses the basic services provided by government, (military, etc) except that those of use that currently PAY the majority of taxes use most social services the LEAST. What&#039;s fair about that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Cody &#8211; &#8220;love your show&#8221; as they say &#8211; I forget where you are based out of, but I live in the great Socialist State of Kalifornia where the state budget is run by (and has been for years) the DEMONCATS &amp; state employee unions who live to spend more than they take in even though we have a state constitution (there&#8217;s that C word again) that mandates a &#8220;balanced&#8221; budget&#8230;. and a Goveneuter that actually said (into a mic no less) that the $5-10 Billion a year that he admits illegals cost the state didn&#8217;t matter in the big picture. Please at least look that stuff up before you paint everyone here with the same mindless overspender paint bomb.</p>
<p>I hear BO saying that the only way to get us out of the problems caused by over borrowing and over spending is to over borrow and over spend even more &#8211; maybe even by a factor of 4! YABBADABBADO! I think the best way to cash in on that deal is to take advantage of the housing and car tax credits and then get a 105% loan backed by the government! WOWIE &#8211; that gal was right &#8220;if I help BO he&#8217;ll help me&#8221; new car, new house, free government loan! SWEET.</p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t beat them, might as well join the party &#8211; right? I meant that is what you were suggesting &#8211; right?</p>
<p>Speaking of fairness &#8211; I&#8217;d go with a flat tax with no deductions 1 page tax form. Everyone uses the basic services provided by government, (military, etc) except that those of use that currently PAY the majority of taxes use most social services the LEAST. What&#8217;s fair about that?</p>
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		<title>By: AARGH59</title>
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		<dc:creator>AARGH59</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>40% of the earners in this country don&#039;t pay federal income taxes.  Gut feel tells me that that group is disproportionately &quot;renters.&quot;  So to suggest that the &quot;poor&quot; are subsidizing the ownership class would appear to be an attractive populist claim but probably lacking support from the facts.  Now if you want to argue that those of us who already own a house/car and paying taxes are subsidizing the purchases of others for the purposes of buying votes, I&#039;m with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>40% of the earners in this country don&#8217;t pay federal income taxes.  Gut feel tells me that that group is disproportionately &#8220;renters.&#8221;  So to suggest that the &#8220;poor&#8221; are subsidizing the ownership class would appear to be an attractive populist claim but probably lacking support from the facts.  Now if you want to argue that those of us who already own a house/car and paying taxes are subsidizing the purchases of others for the purposes of buying votes, I&#8217;m with you.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time for a Constitutional Convention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time for a Constitutional Convention.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim McGarry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim McGarry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 02:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cody: I am astonished at your ignorance, maybe that long hair is clouding your brain.

Or are you saying this commentary to get a rise out of people like myself.

age 60 worked since i was 9 income 150k a year,,,,,,,,,,,and I pay for everything I have
I took the risks and you think I should give the rewards to people that sit on their ass and complain that the mommy goverment is not doing enough for them, both my sons put themselves thru college working 3 jobs, now that they are making decent money
70 to 90k.......my sons the do somethings should continue the tradition of giving to the do nothings!!!!!!!! Cody wake up and write something intelligent, or get a new career.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cody: I am astonished at your ignorance, maybe that long hair is clouding your brain.</p>
<p>Or are you saying this commentary to get a rise out of people like myself.</p>
<p>age 60 worked since i was 9 income 150k a year,,,,,,,,,,,and I pay for everything I have<br />
I took the risks and you think I should give the rewards to people that sit on their ass and complain that the mommy goverment is not doing enough for them, both my sons put themselves thru college working 3 jobs, now that they are making decent money<br />
70 to 90k&#8230;&#8230;.my sons the do somethings should continue the tradition of giving to the do nothings!!!!!!!! Cody wake up and write something intelligent, or get a new career.</p>
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		<title>By: KurtS</title>
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		<dc:creator>KurtS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you don&#039;t pay any taxes, you can&#039;t complain about not getting a tax break.  Lets never forget that the top 10% of taxpayers are paying 75% of all the taxes in this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you don&#8217;t pay any taxes, you can&#8217;t complain about not getting a tax break.  Lets never forget that the top 10% of taxpayers are paying 75% of all the taxes in this country.</p>
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		<title>By: Nacho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nacho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s my question:  What happens to the used car market in the &lt;$4,500 range after this?  Forget the &quot;fairness&quot; question of if the &quot;rich&quot; should be getting this credit, while the poor do not, what happens to the cars worth less than this cut off?  

I guess we&#039;re now just saying you don&#039;t have to trade in a car to get the $4500, so what happens to the nearly-new used car market?  Is it now going to be the case that a 3 month old car with 2K miles is of a higher cost to buy than a brand new car off the lot?  Isn&#039;t that just going to mean the entire car market ends up getting artificially pushed down by this government credit (hurting those looking to sell a slightly used vehicle)?  If so, when does it end?  Much like this $8000 first-time home buyer credit, who it hurts most is the people on the edges looking in.  Now people that bought two months to early or late payed more for the house or car than others (again this really would hurt in resale).  All only because of some political whim intended to prop up a bubble or a failing auto company.  This erodes consumer confidence and causes people to shelter their money in fear or hope that the government brings a long a new different plan to suit them better....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s my question:  What happens to the used car market in the &lt;$4,500 range after this?  Forget the &#8220;fairness&#8221; question of if the &#8220;rich&#8221; should be getting this credit, while the poor do not, what happens to the cars worth less than this cut off?  </p>
<p>I guess we&#8217;re now just saying you don&#8217;t have to trade in a car to get the $4500, so what happens to the nearly-new used car market?  Is it now going to be the case that a 3 month old car with 2K miles is of a higher cost to buy than a brand new car off the lot?  Isn&#8217;t that just going to mean the entire car market ends up getting artificially pushed down by this government credit (hurting those looking to sell a slightly used vehicle)?  If so, when does it end?  Much like this $8000 first-time home buyer credit, who it hurts most is the people on the edges looking in.  Now people that bought two months to early or late payed more for the house or car than others (again this really would hurt in resale).  All only because of some political whim intended to prop up a bubble or a failing auto company.  This erodes consumer confidence and causes people to shelter their money in fear or hope that the government brings a long a new different plan to suit them better&#8230;.</p>
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